tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259100264329775943.post2349919933355942974..comments2023-05-09T02:00:41.963-07:00Comments on The Crazy Mormon: Response to (Gay) Mormon GuyAlexhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13589508168777037793noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259100264329775943.post-19693074113253891492011-05-03T22:35:34.065-07:002011-05-03T22:35:34.065-07:00And LJ, I think the nuance of the word overcome is...And LJ, I think the nuance of the word overcome is important indeed. I respect the way you look at it. But how do you think most gay/ssa people, or even just the general membership in the church view it? It's somewhere between "pray the gay away" and these feelings aren't your choice, but you should never give in to them. They are still usually stigmatized. In essence you are asked to deny or at least look with shame on part of your identity. This is a much longer, post length discussion, but it's not wrong to identify yourself as gay and be a member of the church! Elder Holland said in his latest talk on SGA not to primarily identify yourself as gay, but that doesn't mean you can't identify yourself as gay! I agree with him. I think coming out, you tend to overemphasize this part of your life and identity. But you know, I don't want to see myself as just being gay. And I don't want other people to only see that about me. There's so much more to me. <br /><br />But, I'm here to "preach" or witness that it's ok to be gay. And even to be gay (happy) about being gay.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13589508168777037793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259100264329775943.post-55078885254932887102011-05-03T22:20:05.890-07:002011-05-03T22:20:05.890-07:00I think he's an interesting persona nonetheles...I think he's an interesting persona nonetheless. I remember reading him at the beginning of this journey and feeling kind of ashamed, like gosh, I wish I was that good. If he is real, I feel so bad for him though. I kind of wonder sometimes. He makes a fascinating narrative which I think at the very least helps his readership realize that homosexuality isn't a choice (well until today's post which I only glanced at). It's something though, <br />right?Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13589508168777037793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259100264329775943.post-11263126954588407002011-05-03T20:09:55.424-07:002011-05-03T20:09:55.424-07:00Actually, I don't think (Gay) Mormon Guy is fo...Actually, I don't think (Gay) Mormon Guy is for real. That is, I don't think the blog records the experiences of an actual person.<br /><br />There was a case a few years ago of a very faithful gay Mormon blog (savingjohngalt.blogspot.com) that was exposed as a hoax. The writer turned out to be a woman who had created an online alterego. The blog was deleted.<br /><br />I'm not saying (Gay) Mormon Guy is in this same category, but I will say that it reads as a fantasy. There are certain details that just don't add up. For example, in the post you reference, there is reference to the idea that GMG could get special affirmative-action preferences at work if he came out. No gay person would say that; it's a shibboleth of heterosexual social conservatives. That mistake is not exactly a smoking gun, but it and other details remind me a lot of the defunct Saving John Galt blog. I'd definitely take GMG with a grain of salt.MoHoHawaiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15086670779804942122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259100264329775943.post-80059579788901355362011-05-03T15:56:37.490-07:002011-05-03T15:56:37.490-07:00And as for (Gay) Mormon Guy, I stopped following h...And as for (Gay) Mormon Guy, I stopped following his blog a fews after I came across it. But I am jealous of his readership ; )Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259100264329775943.post-76064338728814998472011-05-03T15:54:31.333-07:002011-05-03T15:54:31.333-07:00Uncounted number of believing Mormons have left th...Uncounted number of believing Mormons have left the church because they just count be true to themselves and accept the churches positions on church economics (Kirkland), plural marriage, racial theology, women's rights, labor (pro right to work), and gay rights. These people have done all of us a service. Blind obedience weakens leadership, promotes authoritarian abuse. Don't really know how the Final Judgement will roll out, but I suspect these Mormons will get a merit badge for courage and a big thank you, if nothing elseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259100264329775943.post-63254177974221163152011-05-03T07:38:53.237-07:002011-05-03T07:38:53.237-07:00MoHo Hawaii is right. Gay Mormon Guy is the most ...MoHo Hawaii is right. Gay Mormon Guy is the most extreme example I've ever seen of someone straining to convince themselves that the LDS Church's teachings about homosexuality are right. Every post reads like a script from Music and the Spoken Word. I have sent in several comments myself and they've all been rejected because I deviated from his standard script. The guy really is living in a fantasy world and you should give what he says a commensurate level of credibility. Which is to say, "none."Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02992194211469009236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259100264329775943.post-41594435817272333232011-05-02T15:16:41.974-07:002011-05-02T15:16:41.974-07:00I think we've talked about it before, Alex... ...I think we've talked about it before, Alex... that word "overcome" is indeed a troublesome word.<br /><br />For some people it means "pray the gay away." For some it means, these attractions or "being gay" is evil and they must be removed. <br /><br />for others, (and this is the interpretation I've adopted)... overcoming means to welcome, not fight off, and then to rise above them. To me, overcoming same sex attraction means coming to peace with it, while realizing its not only a trial, but a gift, and choosing the Gospel of Jesus Christ in spite of it all. That's an interpretation that I can live with.<br /><br />At the same time, many believe "SSA" or "being gay" (depending on your definition) isn't something that should even be attempted to be "overcome".. and for them, thats okay too. I'm just illustrating how I've interpreted overcome, and how it works for me.<br /><br />Take care, amigo!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259100264329775943.post-31547475808064900602011-05-02T13:41:12.839-07:002011-05-02T13:41:12.839-07:00(Gay) Mormong Guy never publishes any comments tha...(Gay) Mormong Guy never publishes any comments that deviate from his script. Don't take it personally. It's not meant to be a blog that fosters discussion or an exchange of ideas. Many of us think his blog is a fantasy. The comment policy reinforces this view.<br /><br />Best of luck to you on your journey...MoHoHawaiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15086670779804942122noreply@blogger.com